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colleges do suck at teaching

Last week, Syed Ali wrote in response to my post about the poor state of teaching:

your basic premise is flimsy, so the rest of the article falls apart. i don’t believe you can say we are bad at teaching (or good for that matter) because we don’t now have particularly good tools of evaluation. i wasn’t around back in the day (in the game only 10 yrs), but am guessing tools of evaluation for teaching weren’t better back then.

Well, it turns out that there is actually really good evidence that students don’t learn much in colleges. A new book by Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa provides good evidence that students aren’t getting as much from the process as we’d like to believe. The Chronicle of Higher Education reports:

Unsurprisingly, Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses (University of Chicago Press, 2011), by Richard Arum and Josipa Roksa, reveals that at least 45 percent of undergraduates demonstrated “no improvement in critical thinking, complex reasoning, and writing skills in the first two years of college, and 36 percent showed no progress in four years.” And that’s just the beginning of the bad news.

Their study is based on follow ups of students that tested them in certain skills.

A few responses here. First, there’s a massive selection effect. A lot of people don’t have the academic skills or maturity to really do well in college. Better teaching wouldn’t make a difference for many students. Second, college teaching is not an evidence based practice. We often throw material out there with little sense of how to best communicate it. I knew very few professors who build courses in responses to rigorous studies of student learning. We’re fumbling in the dark and it’s not surprising that students aren’t getting much. Overall, we should stop denying the fact that colleges don’t do a great teaching job and start figuring out what actually works.

Written by fabiorojas

February 23, 2011 at 3:25 am

Posted in academia, education, fabio

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  2. The book doesn’t suggest that the problem is that professors don’t communicate well in the classroom. The book suggests that students do fuck-all outside the classroom. What matters for student learning, according to the book?

    (1) High faculty expectations (as reported by students).
    (2) Higher-than-average time spent studying alone (“group study” is about as effective as time spent in a frat house, and the average amount of time spent studying is very low – about 12 hours per week).
    (3) Courses that require BOTH 40+ pages of reading per week and 20+ pages of writing per term.

    The book offers no evidence that teaching style matters. I really wish people would read this book rather than use it to flog their particular hobby horses.

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    Dissenting Wren

    February 23, 2011 at 12:47 pm

  3. I haven’t read the book yet, but plan to. But Wren’s points are really strong, and I think show what’s wrong with the idea that it’s college teaching that’s the problem. Frankly I think current trends in teaching spend too much energy trying to adapt teaching styles to students’ styles (electronic, “active learning,” etc.), and not enough seeking to encourage to change those styles to be more intellectually rewarding.

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    Andrew Perrin

    February 23, 2011 at 2:39 pm

  4. “Frankly I think current trends in teaching spend too much energy trying to adapt teaching styles to students’ styles (electronic, “active learning,” etc.), and not enough seeking to encourage to change those styles to be more intellectually rewarding.”

    That is exactly right; too bad sociologists have been on the wrong-end of this for decades – trying to adapt teachers to the learning styles of inner-city youth.

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    mt

    February 23, 2011 at 4:24 pm

  5. The Arum and Roksa arguments are a little hard to support when you have less than 3,000 students at 24 institutions across the US. I’m sure the variation in the number of students from different types of institutions (liberal arts college like a Pomona vs. RI like Michigan vs. regional university like an Appalachian State) may indicate some big differences in “learning.” I know of some dissertations that have way more students and institutions than their dataset. Obviously it’s not the same type of data, but I think someone “safely” saying that 36 percent of all students don’t learn a thing during college is coming fairly close to committing the ecological fallacy that happens with survey and public opinion data.

    Here’s a run-down of some of the issues people have discussed about the book: http://chronicle.com/article/Scholars-of-Education-Question/126345/

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    Hillbilly

    February 23, 2011 at 5:30 pm

  6. How is that committing the ecological fallacy? Sure, we’d like to see some confidence intervals, but that’s a different issue.

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    huh

    February 23, 2011 at 9:25 pm

  7. You cannot get a job teaching K-12 in most states unless you have taken and passed a class in measurement and evaluation among many other courses in teaching and learning. Nothing like that is required of college instructors. Thus, it is an old cliche that “he knows the material, but he can’t teach.” If you read histories of college education in the 19th (or 13th) centuries, you will see that none of this is new. The motivations for college education now must include the fact that as 28% of adults have four-year degrees (or claim to), not having one is a disadvantage. Ultimately, it does not matter what your degree is in, what you learned, what grades you got, or where you went. What does matter is what you can demonstrate as achievements in promise of future performance. If you want a good undergraduate education – and are willing to work at school – then the American Council of Trustees and Alumni website http://www.goacta.org rates colleges according to rigorous standards. (The University of Michigan gets a D.)

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    Michael E. Marotta

    February 23, 2011 at 9:47 pm

  8. @huh: I’m sorry, but I wouldn’t be “confident” if I said that most college students don’t learn anything in college with their sample…

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    Hillbilly

    February 23, 2011 at 11:31 pm

  9. And yes, 45 and 36 percent is not “most,” but the way everything is being spun among academics is that most of students are not learning. There’s other issues at hand with how people are interpreting the findings, but researchers should be careful with their assertions and interpretations of the data as well, wouldn’t you agree?

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    Hillbilly

    February 23, 2011 at 11:33 pm

  10. I much agree with Andrew Perrin above.

    A required entry and exit assessment of all students with respect to criteria such as complex reasoning would help. At a minimum, having the accreditation agencies require that a stratified random sample of students in an accredited institution be required to take a proctored exam would relieve the assessment low sample issue overall.

    An Obama “Race to the Top” grant could be made dependent on submission to such criteria. Or rich alumni could hold donations in escrow ….

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    Tony

    February 27, 2011 at 1:40 am


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